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30/3/2022

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Rand Report Prescribed US Provocations Against Russia and Predicted Russia Might Retaliate In Ukraine (by Rick Sterling - March 28, 2022)   

According to a 2019 Rand report titled "Overextending and Unbalancing Russia", the US goal is to undermine Russia just as it did the Soviet Union in the cold war. Rather than "trying to stay ahead" or trying to improve the US domestically or in international relations, the emphasis is on efforts and actions to undermine the designated adversary Russia. Rand is a quasi-US governmental think tank that receives three-quarters of its funding from the US military.

The report lists anti-Russia measures divided into the following areas: economic, geopolitical, ideological/informational, and military. They are assessed according to the perceived risks, benefits and "likelihood of success".

The report notes that Russia has "deep seated" anxieties about western interference and potential military attack. These anxieties are deemed to be a vulnerability to exploit. There is no mention of the cause of the Russian anxieties: they have have been invaded multiple times and had 27 million deaths in WW2.

Significance of Ukraine

Ukraine is important to Russia. The two countries share much common heritage and a long common border. One of the most important leaders of the Soviet Union, Nikita Khrushchev, was Ukrainian. During WW2, Ukraine was one of Hitler’s invasion routes and there was a small but active number of Ukrainian collaborators with Nazi Germany. The distance from the capital of Ukraine, Kiev, to Moscow is less than 500 miles.

For these same reasons of geography and history, Ukraine is a major component of a US/NATO effort to undermine Russia. Current Under Secretary for Political Affairs, Victoria Nuland, said that over 20 years the US invested $5 billion in the project to turn Ukraine. The culmination was a violent coup in February 2014. Since 2015, the US has been training ultra nationalist and Neo-Nazi militias. This has been documented in articles such as "U.S. House admits Nazi role in Ukraine" (Robert Parry, 2015), "The US is arming and assisting neo-nazis in Ukraine while the House debates prohibition."(Max Blumenthal, 2018), "Neo Nazis and the far right are on the march in Ukraine" (Lev Golinken in 2019) and "The CIA may be breeding Nazi terror in Ukraine" (Branko Marcetic Jan. 2022).

Rand suggested provocations

Prior to 2018, the US only provided "defensive" military weaponry to Ukraine. The Rand report assesses that providing lethal (offensive) military aid to Ukraine will have a high risk but also a high benefit. Accordingly, US lethal weaponry skyrocketed from near zero to $250M in 2019, to $303M in 2020, to $350M in 2021. Total military aid is much higher. A few weeks ago, "The Hill" reported, "The US has contributed more than $1 billion to help Ukraine’s military over the past year".

The Rand report lists many techniques and "measures" to provoke and threaten Russia. Some of the steps include:
  •     Repositioning bombers within easy striking range of key Russian strategic targets
  •     Deploying additional tactical nuclear weapons to locations in Europe and Asia
  •     Increasing US and allied naval force posture and presence in Russia’s operating areas (Black Sea)
  •     Holding NATO war exercises on Russia’s borders
  •     Withdrawing from the Intermediate Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty

These and many other provocations suggested by Rand have, in fact, been implemented. For example, NATO conducted massive war exercises dubbed "Defender 2021" right up Russia’s border. NATO has started "patrolling" the Black Sea and engaging in provocative intrusions into Crimean waters. The US has withdrawn from the INF Treaty.

Since 2008, when NATO "welcomed" the membership aspirations of Ukraine and Georgia, Russia has said this would cross a red line and threaten its security. In recent years NATO has provided advisers, training and ever increasing amounts of military hardware. While Ukraine is not a formal member of NATO, it has increasingly been treated like one. The full Rand report says "While NATO’s requirement for unanimity makes it unlikely that Ukraine could gain membership in the foreseeable future, Washington’s pushing this possibility could boost Ukrainian resolve while leading Russia to redouble its efforts to forestall such a development."

The alternative, which could have prevented or at least forestalled the current Russian intervention in Ukraine, would have been to declare Ukraine ineligible for NATO. But this would have been contrary to the US intention of deliberately stressing, provoking and threatening Russia.

Ukraine as US client

In November 2021, the US and Ukraine signed a Charter on Strategic Partnership. This agreement confirmed Ukrainian aspirations to join NATO and rejection of the Crimean peoples decision to re-unify with Russia following the 2014 Kiev coup. The agreement signaled a consolidation of Washington’s economic, political and military influence.

December 2021 Russia red lines followed by military action

In December 2021, Russia proposed a treaty with the US and NATO. The central Russian proposal was a written agreement that Ukraine would not join the NATO military alliance.

When the proposed treaty was rebuffed by Washington, it seems the die was cast. On February 21, Putin delivered a speech detailing their grievances. On February 24, Putin delivered another speech announcing the justification and objectives of the military intervention to "demilitarize" and "denazify" Ukraine.

As Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov later said, "This is not about Ukraine. This is the end result of a policy that the West has carried out since the early 1990’s."

Afghanistan again?

As earlier indicated, the Rand report assesses the costs and benefits of various US actions. It is considered a "benefit" if increased US assistance to Ukraine results in the loss of Russian blood and resources. Speculating on the possibility of Russian troop presence in Ukraine, the report suggests that it could become "quite controversial at home, as it did when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan." (p 99 of full report)

That historical reference is significant. Beginning in 1979, the US and Saudi Arabia funded and trained sectarian foreign fighters to invade and destabilize the Afghan government. The goals were to overthrow the socialist inclined government and lure the Soviet Union into supporting the destabilized government. It achieved these Machiavellian goals at the cost of millions of Afghan citizens whose country has never been the same.

It appears that Ukrainian citizens are similarly being manipulated to serve US goals.

A "disadvantageous peace settlement"

The Rand report says, "Increasing US military aid would certainly drive up the Russian costs, but doing so could also increase the loss of Ukrainian lives and territory or result in a disadvantageous peace settlement."

But who would a peace settlement be "disadvantageous" for? Ukrainian lives and territory are currently being lost. Over fourteen thousand Ukrainian lives have been lost in the eastern Donbass region since the 2014 coup.

A peace settlement that guaranteed basic rights for all Ukrainians and state neutrality in the rivalry of big powers, would be advantageous to most Ukrainians. It is only the US foreign policy establishment including the US military media industrial complex and Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who would be "disadvantaged".

Since Ukraine is a multi-ethnic state, it would seem best to accept that reality and find a compromise national solution which facilitates all Ukrainians. Being a client of a distant foreign power is not in Ukraine’s national best interest.

The Rand report shows how US policy focuses on actions to hurt Russia and manipulates third party countries (Ukraine) toward that task.
44 Comments
Bored Quizzer
30/3/2022 11:39:54 am

...and all we sad old anoraks can think about is was a women on a boat or not in a vain attempt at some point scoring. Next up - Lets Ban The Russian Refugees in Finland because they are er um, well they are Russian and everyone knows Russians are bad!!!!

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Briois Johnson to Inquiry Committee
30/3/2022 04:57:46 pm

I am ensuring you I am still your leader, and as the answer to your fertiliser question. I am spreading all the good stuff around the British Isles

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George See Scottg
30/3/2022 05:10:53 pm

Don't get me wrong. I know those Ruckexcuses. I know they felt damn hard against those snazzies. 25 million+ emojos. That's not a war Mr President. That is a crime committed in the name of inhumanity of which you will have to answer to the Coca Cola company and more importantly Facebook

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BBC, DW and RT = spot the difference
30/3/2022 06:30:13 pm

Okay, RT in 2022 is saying what BBC and DW were saying in 2014, but in 2022 BBC and DW are saying what? That they never said what they said back in 2014?

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Bored of the Boring Board Watcher
30/3/2022 07:30:18 pm

The Board Watcher will not mention someone again. Oh good.

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Put up or shut up 'Quizzer'
30/3/2022 07:59:32 pm

Was 'Quizzer' on the VoP? Well 'Quizzer' contradicts Genie Baskir: "Posted by The Quizzer on March 28, 2022, 7:29 pm ...

Oh meant to say, maybe she could also give details of when Israeli state radio "borrowed and shared" the transmitters of the Voice of Peace. Yes, there was a strike but no sharing of the transmitters. Again, I would have thought the "Yestertecs" would have forensically checked such writings for blatant errors before publishing."

So Genie Baskir has responded with this: "There was a sharing of the transmitters. It may not have been well known but it did happen because the radio was the only mass communication."

How old is the 'Quizzer'? Don't know because the 'Quizzer' is too scared to identify himself. Genie Baskir identifies herself and she was there, in Israel. Where was the 'Quizzer'? In his father's testicles, or perhaps he hadn't even got that far?

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Interested - for Mervyn
30/3/2022 10:54:46 pm

In the previous thread I asked if you could kindly post links to the BBC Newsnight videos you referred to. Perhaps you missed it.

Mervyn, can you help with that as I can't locate them?

Thanks in advance.

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Mervyn
31/3/2022 10:43:05 am

I stumbled across these videos by chance on YouTube! I would have thought that they would have been censored and removed due to the anti-Russian propaganda, but not so, because the censors have a major problem.

First of all they can't ban RT - I watch it continually since I know what the other side is saying because they repeat each other. So its easy to watch the contrary to RT version on Fox - BBC or CNN. They have some domestic variations but on Russia and Ukraine they are all in agreement.

But what I was amazed to discover is that such was not always the case into very recent times. Maybe when Mike's Rand paper was published in 2019. That could be the time that when Fox-BBC-CNN all fell into line over Ukraine-Russia (not domestic issues like Trump, etc.)

So when I found one BBC story about Ukraine and the neo-Nazis that dated back to 2014-2015 which today (2022) the BBC would almost deny having every broadcast such "pro-Russian" (RT) material, I was amazed. But what can the censor do? Ban all old BBC material?

Then I discovered stuff by DW-TV saying the same thing - on YouTube. Some of it as recently as 2019, which makes me think that the Rand document must be the turning point.

Now RT is going big time on the bio lab stories - with documentary evidence. Hello "Chem-Trails". Until very recently I scoffed at the very idea. Not any more.

So go on YouTube and start looking for yourself. If you don't find these BBC-DW stories you are searching for the wrong stuff and the censors are filtering your questions - because they are there to be found and watched (or when I saw them and drew your attention to them, they were there then. I downloaded one and I intended to download more in case they are removed. But I have not had time to do so in the last few days.)

If you cannot find them let me know and I will see if I can find the url/s for you.

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BBC Newsnight Feb 28, 2014
31/3/2022 11:02:43 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

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Canada looks at Ukrainian neo-Nazis
31/3/2022 11:11:17 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDG_hWlVda4

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DW - and Ukrainian neo-Nazis
31/3/2022 11:12:36 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meWM4lChqy4

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BBC-2015
31/3/2022 11:18:43 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEKQsnRGv7s

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DW - 2019 - NAZISM AND GERMANY TODAY
31/3/2022 11:31:27 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcCu3Yia6WU - Weimar and modern Germany in 2019 - this is DW TV and it is fueling the war in Ukraine.

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Mike Watcher
31/3/2022 09:48:07 am

Congratulations Mike Wilson - you just beat RT to the broadcast beat with their in-depth coverage of this Rand document.

Their conclusion was that in 2019 either Rand could accurately see the future - since all of its recommendations have been followed - or, the military-industrial-complex managed by the U.S. government paid for this academic study and the Biden Admin then put it into operation.

If you want to catch the RT version today (Thursday, March 31) then go to this site but I can't tell the time of day that it will repeat - but it will be repeated: http://www.freeintertv.com/view/id-1511

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Quizzing the Quizzer
31/3/2022 01:20:33 pm

Your name?

Quizzer, judge.

What?

Quizzer.

Is that Fred Quizzer; Bob Quizzer, Ezra Quizzer, what?

Ezra is you like, judge.

What do you mean by that? Are you Ezra Quizzer?

Not exactly, judge.

Not what exactly?

Well, we are discussing Jews and Israel judge and Ezra seemed like a sort of Jewish name, and you seem to like Jews, judge.

And you hate Jews Mr Quizzer?

Not exactly, judge.

You mean that you partially hate Jews, or Israel or both?

Not exactly, judge.

If you don't identify yourself properly you will be dismissed for contempt. Are you afraid of something or someone if you do identify yourself?

Um, I can't answer that, judge.

Bailiff, remove this person and let him cool off in a cell until he can be more exact about who he is. Next case. What is your name?

Board Watcher, judge?

Is there a contagion going around? Have you also lost your ability to think about who you are? Bailiff, remove this one and place him with that other person. Bailiff, are there any more like this out there?

Yes, judge, there's a corridor full of them outside waiting to get in and they are all wearing a T-shirt worshipping someone named Ronan Rusling-Stevens.

Bailiff, call Social Services and ask them to send a psychiatrist over here.

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James McGregor
31/3/2022 06:53:03 pm

I identify with one of many of your problems Merve. I have nervous itchy rashes all over acerbated by the stress of modern life. It was a lot easier in 1964 before I was born and Roan came to London for the Pilkington Census Circus chaired by King Harold Wilson. Roan found that radio was lacking and made it his life to improve the transistors. King Harold hated him and so put his memory to death by letting the Genie out of the bottle. Which reminds me I am very thirsty. Did I tell you I had a police call caution over Facebook, or was it Garry I told? I can't remember it was only last week. Have you had any idea how many disciples Garry has left? I count about 20. And all of my real name loyal will stay by his side till the end because he dares speak the truth about your crusade of ridicule and going of on a nut job Air Force 1 about every world event that happens and trying to put your own spin on it. If you are that clever why can you not even write one book? People less clever than you or I have written many interesting books about offshore wireless. Off my head I am, I can par example think of at least half a dozen travelling adventures of the MV Communicator written by the master storyteller

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Admin - Mike
31/3/2022 09:49:51 pm

Get some help James. There is nothing wrong with being a fan of pirate radio but some anoraks are just in it for their pretense of some sort of fame. Garry Stevens land based pirate stations (basically only one that changed names a few times) were pitiful in comparison with most others in London pirates at the time.

Thameside, Radio Sovereign, Radio Jackie, Telstar and Invicta are just a few that were massively better. You & I might possibly not like their music but some London pirates have gone on to get licensed over the last fifteen years. Why? because they have a large audience who supported them and the commercial stations are not prepared to take risks with their formats.

Meanwhile a few old amateur pirates would have us believe they were game changers. In reality they were just free radio fans who had a go at it, that's all.

Coming Off It Merve
1/4/2022 11:41:38 am

a) I am writing a book using court room standards; b) others have written make-believe stories c) if you are that much of a cult follower, then clearly you are in the flat earth category or even the David Koresh category and willing to die for your cult leader. That is just a pathetic waste of a human existence. May your biology soon end its occupation of space on this crowded Planet and take away one less source of CO2 emissions.

James McGregor
2/4/2022 12:35:58 pm

Mike is helping me a lot - to realise that this is just a game with him and Merve. Poking moneys in the cage and seeing who howls back first

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James McGregor
2/4/2022 07:25:05 pm

I have just been banned again from Facebook Lovely cuddly neighbours app because I said that the local pavements were worse than Ukraine shell craters.

The Council was billing us for services they do not deliver

And commenting on a photo of a Weightwatchers meeting "Is there a moose on the loose?"

Mark and Lard - its an indefinite ban this time which suits me and that jolly nice negro actor with the bald wife

Has the world gone mad?

Yes

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Is James mad?
3/4/2022 09:40:01 pm

James the world has not gone mad but you drift in and out of sanity. Maybe its the meds, but you are aiding mad people like Stevens and Rusling and Smith and all of their disciples who were too young to know anything about the Sixties from the inside. You need to take your meds, look in the mirror and then do something about the loonies you have been supporting.

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WWW Sunflower Snowflake Soya Bean - Trans and Entitled
3/4/2022 11:14:06 pm

As if crisps don't cost enough already?

As if a smart meter makes the user clever

As if most of us knew Ukraine had not been an administrative district of the USSR since 1991

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Unbanned but can you grass up and spy for us neighbours who are who they say they are?
5/4/2022 12:58:15 pm

Hi James,

Thanks for your understanding.

We’ve updated the name on your account and have restored your access. You should now be able to sign in as usual.

Thank you for also making this report to us. If you are able to, please provide us with the name of the neighbour you believe is not using their real name, and the name of the neighbourhood they live in so that I can investigate this report.

Please let me know if I can help you further.

Best,

Tom
Nextdoor

+_+

Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb

Garry Stevens
Malcolm Smith
Freddie the Bucha Butcher Kruger Mead
June Brown
Board TV Watcher
Nasty Nick

Neighbourhood they live in ? Nero's Matrix?

Thank you Tom Mr Anderson

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Foxy News
3/4/2022 11:06:35 pm

https://youtu.be/BgxQcQdVYC4

https://youtu.be/-kGAvaNsJ2Y

https://youtu.be/WT_fAR7AxEc

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James McGregor
4/4/2022 02:52:11 pm

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has described the alleged atrocities in Bucha as an "act" that was "staged" several days after Russian forces withdrew, according to Tass news agency.

"We categorically reject all allegations," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told journalists.

He said Russian "experts at the ministry of defence" had "identified signs of video fakes and various fakes", without providing any evidence.

Michael Clarke, a defence and security analyst at the think tank Rusi, in London, says that these kind of responses are part of a Russian playbook.

He told Sky News earlier:

Quote Message: First of all, they deny everything. And then they try to obfuscate, they create stuff on social media, which indicates ‘Oh it’s all very complicated and this was going on at the time, and that was going on, and no simple answers are possible’. And then a couple of years later, they often admit it and they say 'yes, yes, we did do this or we did do that, but you [the West] do the same'."
First of all, they deny everything. And then they try to obfuscate, they create stuff on social media, which indicates ‘Oh it’s all very complicated and this was going on at the time, and that was going on, and no simple answers are possible’. And then a couple of years later, they often admit it and they say 'yes, yes, we did do this or we did do that, but you [the West] do the same'."

Article share tools

Garden shed full of webs of deep space spiders here mate

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James of Bucha
4/4/2022 05:30:56 pm

It is clear that James McGregor is responsible for atrocities destroying human interactive speech. It is a crime against humanity. I got this from an expert in London who should know all about this kind of confusion because he learned everything from Sefton Delmer under the direction of Winston Churchill.

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While no one is paying attention ....
4/4/2022 06:08:41 pm

What a distraction is this war between Ukraine and Russia. How about Turkey? That was the Black Sea nation that almost triggered WWIII and JFK had to secretly back down and pull out USA missiles.

But now look. Turkey has discovered a huge gas field offshore called 'Tuna 1' which is due to be exploited by 2023, and also next year Turkey is contemplating a new canal that is much shorter than the Suez Canal, and a huge international airport. All this on the doorstep of Russia.

So where is the big coverage about all this on BBC and CNN and SKy and Fox?

Turkey is going to be a big player in the Black Sea nations.

But no one is paying attention at all

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Wrong again
5/4/2022 01:20:13 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w172x58k36lgkng

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Right again and again and again
6/4/2022 12:22:31 pm

Whoever the squirrel is that is playing 'gotcha' you must be one of the dopey, stupid and ignorant crowd from Garry Stevens' Board.

Before posting that "wrong again" note did you notice WHAT you were posting and from when?

Last on

Fri 21 Aug 2020
23:32
Local time
BBC WORLD SERVICE EXCEPT EUROPE AND THE MIDDLE EAST

When in the last few days during April 2022 was this on BBC Prime Time television about ALL of the issues mentioned earlier: Tuna 1-airport-canal due to happen next year?

You thick and silly kids need to wake up and stop playing daft games before you begin to ask real questions about the future of Northern Ireland; the break-up of the United Kingdom; petrol and food prices that YOU CAN'T AFFORD - its all coming in the New World Order written and directed by George Soros.

This is not 2020 but 2022 and the Soros Plan is now going full blast. You are not allowed to criticize the Soros World Government. It you do - you may soon be tortured and killed by his neo-Nazis who are running the Ukraine through their 'Ant and Dec' puppet president.

The butchers of Ukraine are Soros' neo-Nazis.

The world is being blanketed by the darkness of Soros' censorship conducted from London, England and amplified for the military manufacturers.

Orwell wrote that 'freedom is slavery' and you may soon find out how true that slogan really is.

Distraction Racal McGregor - no relation to Secret Squirt squirrel squeal - or any other term my thesauri's throe popup
7/4/2022 07:07:44 pm

Nothing to do with this as such but just curious and apart from my good friends on Garry have no one to ask it?

I was watching the cars - the band called the cars at Ethiopia shall live aid 1985
I wondered were the bands just doing the vocals and the music was tracked. There seemed to be a lot of the vocals seeming real, and a lot of guitar players taking their hands off the plectrum and keyboard and yet perfect music comes out. I know the Pet Shop Boys did this at live concerts because obviously it was multi layer composed. To hard for Chris to replicate on a keyboard. I just wonder at the next Scottg fan club convention with Mike Simmonds in Hastings, introduced by AGB who would get the most applause - Mike Hagger or Paul Wagger?

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Mr Alleged
7/4/2022 08:12:06 pm

Have you noticed how much the word 'alleged' is being used on UK newscasts?

It is the most popular word to describe anything to do with Ukraine.

But alleged means guilty in the new woke world.

You don't need proof - just an allegation.

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Mr Blink
8/4/2022 07:44:12 am

Onward Christian Soldiers going on to war, with the Soros Banner going on before.... World War III ... with Nancy heading off to Taiwan and China suggesting that the US is now preparing for a war on two fronts - Ukraine and Taiwan. Who is making money? US gas industry now exporting to Europe laughing at that old myth about 'climate change' .... It is time to pray and pay in this glorious moment when the new dark age is finally beginning because no one is blinking and soon, very soon, the war of bullets will be coming your way.

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No point in posting here
8/4/2022 12:59:06 pm

Responses to what I suspect are Mervyn's comments are censored or dismissed as point scoring. There shall be no challenge to his conspiracy theories, so what's the point? This blog will die or be left to Mike, Mervyn and James to play with themselves even if changes are underway in February, or is it March? No, must be April.

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Mike - Admin
8/4/2022 09:15:18 pm

No censorship for sensible thoughtful comments here. But idiots who can only rant or apologies for the likes of Soros need to go away and do some real research.

Now who funds the 'fact checkers' would be a reasonable starting place. Or who made countries currency collapse, or who as a teenager accompanied a relative in catching and sending Jews to concentration camps. Try using Brave as a search engine and really digging on these matters.

As for the usual lie that few in number are visiting this place, we outstrip the anorak hogwash forums who are an eternal loop of trolling each other to death.

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No point in posting here
8/4/2022 11:11:32 pm

The fact is that you will not accept any views which do not align with your own and discuss them in a sensible manner.

Neither did I refer to the number of visitors to this page, but the number of posters, or at least the number of comments you deem acceptable to publish.
You are dealing with a very small number of people using aliases as well you know.

Mervyn Hagger
9/4/2022 07:45:39 am

I do not engage in conspiracy theories and I also use my real name. So who are you? Probably one of the 3 under various names who are commenting on the death of the 'Radio Ship' which isn't a radio ship but a web site which few people have even heard of, so they won't miss it. As for you, how can we miss you when you are two afraid to identify yourself. In view of the Ukraine hysteria I am thinking of loading a lorry with meds and driving to James' house to save himself from himself. Bombs unnecessary. If you would like to contribute to this noble charity effort, please bring your donations to the Square (the lorry will be parked under the big Clock next to Sainsbury's with a big G.S. Removals on the side.)

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No point in posting here
9/4/2022 10:22:04 am

Thank you for your values input.

Facts
9/4/2022 10:55:12 am

Don't know about the website, but the Radio Ship's Facebook page has 1547 followers, so your claim that few have heard of it might be a little off. Social media is where it's at, so where is JLRI etc apart from a few dormant pages and groups?

Mervyn Hagger link
9/4/2022 09:32:43 am

Mike, a suggestion. I have been puzzled by the constant RT referrals to the neo-Nazi AZOV Battalion and the very last last stand battle now going on at the AZOV steel works outside Mariupol.

Are the two connected. Well, yes they are because there is an enclave Sea of Azov and that is not the real name of the steel works.

To get a better grip on all this you need a) to post a map of the Black Sea; b) a larger map showing Crimea in the Black Sea and c) a larger map of the Sea of Azov with access to the Black Sea via Crimea and Russia. Now that Russia controls the Crimea it controls the Sea of Azov which means it control the export coastline of Ukraine.

Now post a map of Turkey. It has another choke hold on the Black Sea with then leads to the Sea of Azov.

Now post a map of Demark and Sweden with their controlled access to the Baltic Sea.

Gibraltar is another chokehold for shipping.

This is what the entire Holy Loch Polaris base was all about back in the 1960s,because those nuclear submarines were guarding the Western chokeholds during the Cold War.

Once everyone has looked at the maps and knows what is being discussed they should know how this matter began back in 2014. A really good explanation of the incident at sea which triggered the latest phase was posted by the Brookings Institution on their web site in 2018.

Go to: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/12/03/the-battle-for-azov-round-1-goes-to-russia/

If you don't understand or know your geography you can't know what this fight is all about and because there is a connection to the Radio Caroline story about North Sea oil and gas it will become part of the storyline on https://www.allaboutradiocaroline.co.uk/

Just start singing "RULE BRITANNIA = BRITANNIA RULE THE WAVES ....." and you have it in a song.

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Facts about Facts
12/4/2022 01:21:16 pm

In a bedroom hiding from Mummy is a little boy name Scottg with his pal Fred Bramley. What are these two are doing is anyone's guess, but who cares? They are giggling writing posts signed 'Facts'. The trouble is that these kids are way beyond the age of living at home. Fact is that they don't know that they are stupid.and living in a make believe world with a radio ship that is really Scottg's bedroom which their pals avidly tune into from their bedrooms while hiding from their Mummies.

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Facts
13/4/2022 10:15:57 am

What is really, really stupid is presuming that you know who wrote a post when you don't. What is really, really stupid is deflecting from addressing the comments because you have no answer to them.

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Facts about Facts
14/4/2022 06:58:53 am

Dear "Facts" your identity is written all over you. Scottg and Fred Bramley and all of the other anoraks are one mindless gloop of idiocy and the reason why the "Facts' post is written that way is because it is the product of a collective loony-bin where the inmates have no self-identity. They are the Greens; the Nazis; the Commies and the Anoraks all rolled into one identity. You are that gloop. Maybe you should by addressed by that name and that we should call you Garry Gloop instead of 'Facts"?

Former Radio Caroline Listener
13/4/2022 09:56:57 am

I just cant anymore. It's tired sounding and mainly old age pensioners reliving their past. Except for a few obsessive old anoraks who really cares anymore. Neil Gates is right it is just a tribute station for bygone years. If thats your bag then fine, for me the offshore days had that extra buzz that separated it from the mainstream. It's over for me, better things to listen to and better presenters

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In Garry Gloop's Bedroom
14/4/2022 07:15:30 am

It's crowded in here, not because there are so many people, but because the few that are in here are all huddled into one tiny spare bedroom where there is barely space to move. No problem with privacy they all have the same DNA. They are all in love - brotherly love - with each other. No sexual contact here. So if they have sleepovers they sometimes in a daze pull on someone else's Spiderman underwear. They don't have sisters so they don't know about biology, only comic book life and comics for the Gloops do not include facts of life, or any facts for that matter. They all listen and watch the same obscure sounds and sights and close the one tiny window to shut out the sound of thunder or the chirping of birds. Nature is imagined. Gloops remain in this one bedroom usually with the door locked to keep out the unwanted intrusion of the real world in the form of their Mummy. After all, Mummy knows the facts of life and that is how all of these Gloop kids came to be. But Mummy gave up long ago trying to teach them anything and so she is quite content to let them all reside in the spare bedroom and kid themselves that they were all brought over from Ireland in a box of dried seaweed that only required some sea water to bring it back to life. The best part is that they are in this one tiny spare bedroom and they are all dying off one by one and they can be removed and disposed of when the smell of their decaying corpses tell Mummy it is time to call in the undertaker once more.

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